Britain, Terrorists Welcome!

Now I'm not one for touting the Daily Mails right wing agenda, but this I cannot disagree with:

"A terrorist who helped would-be bombers prepare an attack on London's transport network has been spotted travelling on the capital's buses and tubes.

Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali, who helped clean up the bomb factory used by the 21/7 terrorist gang, was seen on a bus and going into Willesden Green Tube station in north west London.

The 35-year-old was jailed for nine years in 2008 but released on bail early. He cannot be deported."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041629/21-7-terrorist-Siraj-Yassin-Abdullah-Ali-pictured-using-public-transport-London.html#ixzz1Yz9nw0ZX
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Another thing that has pissed me off today was the bit about the BBC not being able to use "BC" or "AD" because it might offend people...
that sounds ridiculous.
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Thinking about it BC and AD strikes me as more offending.
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offend in what way?
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Because it's based on the birth of Christ... You know how these muslims are.
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ahahah what the fuck :D?
man u brits are krazy z_Z
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What puzzles me is why don't people just say -1000 instead of 1000B.C.
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Hmm, that's interesting.
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Because not all cultures use the Gregorian calendar(?) which makes -1000 before what?
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There has been a consensus amongst global historians for some time now to try and avoid those terms aswell though. Not because it might offend people, but because placing certain historical events in a western schematic is far from an ideal way of writing history.
So I would be careful to accept this as their main reason for the implementing that rule. I don't know what your source is ofcourse, I'm not from Brittain :)
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use computer time then .. i.e. before or after 1st January 1970
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That wouldn't work either, because then you take the surfacing of the computer as a landmark, but the computer has not had the same importance at the same time everywhere. So similar to with christian dating, you are using an important event in western culture. First computer was way earlier by the way :)
I'm pretty sure they are using BCE or CE now I think.
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BCE and CE is the same dates as BC and AD it just refers to 'Common Era' which is the dating system commonly used
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Yes. And how does that conflict with anything I said? This discussion was merely about terminology. I just said that using your proposed mark would bring the same problems. There has been a discussion about taking different events as the start of our calender (like sedentarism or the birth of writing) but those are problematic aswell because there is not really a neutral "start" to history.I don't really know what the current consensus is, but I do know that CE and BCE are considered more neutral and correct than AD or BC
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true the discussion is over terminology, I can't see there ever really being a solution that makes everyone happy
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Man, your law system sucks ass
If he's a legal immigrant, you can't just send him back I guess - and laws should apply to him as to everyone else.. Although with him being a terrorist I see this being pretty ridiculous..
See, had ever state adopted the communist principles, none of this shit would happen. Communism so cool 2k11. :)
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Hope you're just trolling :D
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One world liberalism is the way forward.
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Social democracy!
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Eventhough I hate you I like you, I have to grant you that. :D<3
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Fuhrer snip0, why the hate alter?
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because we don't send people back to countries where they would get tortured. Its probably something like that to do with his Human Rights.
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That's what I tried to say. The law applies for everyone, no matter what they did - even him.

I just stated I find it reasonable to be mad at, although it's justice. ;)
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Eritrean-born Ali will not face deportation because judges rule he could face 'inhumane treatment'

who even gives a fuck?
if it aint white it aint right
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Eye for an eye? Most stupid thing to do
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stupider than an eye for no eye?

he had protection and then commited acts of terrorism, terrorists shouldnt get protection from a country they commit terrorism against, they break the rules they leave themselves open to the consequences
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He went to jail, there's your eye. Does it make you feel better?
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The 35-year-old was jailed for nine years in 2008 but released on bail early. He cannot be deported

half an eye at best, time for the other half
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He's living in a bail hostel, not exactly living it up. And if the courts / probation service see no gain in holding him why justify the expense?

Let us be clear, he was imprisoned for failing to report a planned crime. A severe crime yes, and I imagine he got a more severe sentence than someone failing to report any other planned murder.
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i wish you'll forever stay that naive and never taste terrorism.
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If ever there was an parable that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind it'd be your lot and them.

How many kids with stones and slogans have your brothers, sisters and family members put down today? They're only dogs after all, right?

What you're experiencing isn't terrorism, it's a fight for liberation.
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childish of you to change the subject to my country. but to your question: none. as far as I remember, shooting at stone throwers is against orders and rules of engagement and can grantee you a life in prison. but hey, giving judgment and making sarcastic comments when you're 7 hours flight away is easy, isn't it?

Ghandi was a freedom fighter, the Dalai Lamah(which, by the way, I've met in person a few months ago in India) is a freedom fighter, mr. Ali over here who tried helping people blow up your(you're British I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) metro station, isn't a freedom fighter, but a terrorist.
your argument of "people aren't terrorists but criminals" is invalid because then you can also argue people aren't rapists and thieves, but mere criminals.
a rapist is not welcomed in public and should pay for what he did, hence he's put to jail.
a terrorist who's trying to crumble your government and change your way of life by violence and blood is not(should be) welcomed in your country. his punishment is debatable but granting him freedom is absorbed.

have a sweet and happy new jewish year, by the way :)
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He'd be getting off lightly if he faced 'inhumane treatment'...
kinda sums up our judicial system and the bullshit that it deems "proper justice"...
Why did they just stand there and take pictures of him? Do him in ffs!
we gonna get you
Reading the mail? you are a brave man
why? he looks quite friendly on that photo
TERRORIST Siraj Yassin Abdullah Ali unexpected
There's no such thing as terrorism, just crime. Crime or freedom figthers, depending on whether you're Libyran rebels or Thai seperatists. But I'm happy just to talk of crime.

Commit a crime, serve a sentence aimed to punish and rehabilitate, get released based on whatever bail conditions and once you've exhausted those you're a free man. Those are the rules, the laws. There's no exception, no special case. Either you're judged no longer a threat to society when you're released or you should remain in prison.

If you're released whilst a threat well then we need to look again at our prison sentences.

As a nation we don't believe in torture, don't believe in the state murdering its citizens or those under its house. To send a man to his death is the same as doing the deed oneself.
I'd say when a large number of people recognise a term as having the a meaning, it's hard to dispute it's existence.

*And by that I mean, you can't just say 'terrorism isn't a thing'.
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Sure you could call it a thing much like racism is a thing, neither are mind; more an effect than a cause. "Words are wind", it's meaningless.

Murder is still murder in my book.
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its highly naive to think he can move about "freely" tho, i'm pretty sure some1 like him is under careful observation from the authorities, if not then the authorities are really naive themselves!
watch out on the tube toss!! and dont forget to check your back!
like a boss
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